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Multi-piece clubs? Only outlaws wear more than one patch? Equating HOG with outlaw bikers??
This page is, from start to finish, nothing but ignorance and bias. How about a reference that HOG was the biggest contributor to the MDA last year, and hopes to hold and exceed that record?
This should be deleted, or at least overhauled to actually DESCRIBE motorcycle clubs, not pass out anti-HD, anti-biker propaganda.
Tom S.
- Why not start an article on HOG, then? I don't think that this article is too POV. It describes both recreational and outlaw clubs. If the descriptions are inaccurate, then please correct them (with references, if possible), but please don't just delete the material you disagree with. Pburka 02:04, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I dont know how to start an article. So no problem with that. As for deleting what I disagreed with... the WHOLE bit about patches and multi-piece patches referenceing one-piece=HOG member multi-piece=outlaw is just plain wrong. I did not simply delete it. I replaced it with the truth, including referencing the various patches and styles that bikers tend to incorporate into their wear.
- As for sources... I AM a biker, a HOG member and all that. But if you need references, look in any publication that has pictures of bikers, or go to Sturgis or something. We are all of us decked out in many patches because we LOVE patches and pins. Secondly, where are the references and sources for THIS? The fact is that this section IS NOT NPOV. It is not POV either. It is simply not factual. Tom S.
- If the info about patches is not factual, then it should be removed. My biggest concern was that you removed the link to motorcycle gangs. Although many MCs aren't gangs, many other ones are. The most well known MC is probably the Hells Angels, which self-identifies as an outlaw motorcycle club.
- I just think its not NPOV to identify the two as one and the same, which this article implies. Perhaps the link should be rephrased to denote that MCs that engage in criminal activity are called motorcycle gangs? Then one can follow the link and learn that the gangs still prefer to be called MCs? Tom S.
- Starting a new article is quite simple, and I think an article about HOG would be valuable, since it seems to be a notable organization. Just create a link to Harley Owners Group (or type it into the search box), click on it, and fill in the text box. Pburka 16:40, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
