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Alexander Goehr
- ... that Alexander Goehr formed the New Music Manchester group with Peter Maxwell Davies, Harrison Birtwistle, Elgar Howarth and John Ogdon, described as a "distinctive, progressive force"? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Mammillaria prolifera
Improved to Good Article status by Gerda Arendt (talk), Aza24 (talk), and Grimes2 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2131 past nominations.
Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC).
- Pinging 4meter4 or CurryTime7-24 regarding how well-known any of the linked names are, especially among non-classical music fans. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:15, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Within classical music, all these names are well known. Howarth would perhaps be the least known, although his recordings are prized by collectors. How well are these names known outside of classical music? Possibly Ogdon has the best shot at widespread recognition. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 03:13, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- In my humble opinion, it doesn't matter if they are already known. Together, they formed this force, and leaving one out seems unfair. (Bad enough that there were obviously a few more, - even a woman is pictured but we don't know her name, nor if she was there only for company.) These five are mentioned together in several sources. Howarth conducted the first brass band concert at The Proms, but that would be a DYK if he gets GA (which has been suggested). I believe that Goehr is best remembered for having driven this progressive team force of national impact, therefore I preferred this hook over others we could say about his vast work, - all alts I thought about seemed more specialised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Birtwistle is an internationally known opera composer. Sir Davies is a famous conductor and composer. I am not familiar with Howarth (not surprising as I am an American) but he has won a Laurence Olivier Award and done work with The Beatles so I wouldn't consider him unknown in the UK. John Ogdon is widely recognized as the best British classical pianist in the history of the United Kingdom. He's been the subject of a BBC documentary, and tribute concerts on BBC television decades after he died. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:56, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for the responses. Based on the above, it appears that the names involved are titans in the field and well-known, so the hook is probably suitable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:03, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Birtwistle is an internationally known opera composer. Sir Davies is a famous conductor and composer. I am not familiar with Howarth (not surprising as I am an American) but he has won a Laurence Olivier Award and done work with The Beatles so I wouldn't consider him unknown in the UK. John Ogdon is widely recognized as the best British classical pianist in the history of the United Kingdom. He's been the subject of a BBC documentary, and tribute concerts on BBC television decades after he died. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:56, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- In my humble opinion, it doesn't matter if they are already known. Together, they formed this force, and leaving one out seems unfair. (Bad enough that there were obviously a few more, - even a woman is pictured but we don't know her name, nor if she was there only for company.) These five are mentioned together in several sources. Howarth conducted the first brass band concert at The Proms, but that would be a DYK if he gets GA (which has been suggested). I believe that Goehr is best remembered for having driven this progressive team force of national impact, therefore I preferred this hook over others we could say about his vast work, - all alts I thought about seemed more specialised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Within classical music, all these names are well known. Howarth would perhaps be the least known, although his recordings are prized by collectors. How well are these names known outside of classical music? Possibly Ogdon has the best shot at widespread recognition. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 03:13, 31 January 2025 (UTC)